Pack your bags, because The Amazing Race is back! Every week, Parade'sMike Bloom will bring you interviews with the team of Big Brother alumni and their loved ones most recently eliminated from the race.Kyland Young and Taylor Hale were perhaps the most well-known quantities going into The Amazing Race 38. She was one of the most popular Big Brother winners in recent memory, while he had cemented himself as a new-school standout on The Challenge. But despite what we knew about them as individuals, as a team, they were perhaps the duo we knew the least about.That's because, on the down-low, Kyland and Taylor had been in a years-long on-again-off-again relationship. And while they were romantically firmly in the "off" position, they were on the race together, hoping to find their friendship again. And they kicked off the season in style with perhaps the ultimate gift of friendship: An Express Pass to give away. While they each had friends on the race, they ultimately chose Jas and Jag Bains, hoping to broker an alliance between the former winners.
While starting the race off strong, their position began to fall as soon as the race began. Train troubles put them in the back of the pack for the first few legs, fighting to avoid elimination. A change of scenery, though, catapulted them to the front of the pack, where they were able to put their teamwork on display. Kyland and Taylor came into the race discussing their different communication styles, and at a few points in the season, that tension was on display. But every time, they were able to get on the same page.
?SIGN UP for Parade's Daily newsletter to get the latest pop culture news & celebrity interviews delivered right to your inbox ? Indeed, the most tension with Kyland and Taylor this season wasn't with each other, but with the other teams. This was most prominent in the U-Turn vote. When Jas and Jag voted for them, seemingly after hearing Kyland speculate about a "gentleman's agreement" between the male/male teams, Taylor spoke openly about her frustration that the men were dominating the season. Unfortunately, she then followed that up by voting for Izzy Gleicher and Paige Seber, prompting some ill will from the engaged couple. Additionally, Taylor was shocked and angry to find that Joseph and Adam Abdin had U-Turned them, wanting to see three teams get the penalty. It was a firm reminder to her and Kyland that, at the end of the day, they were racing with — and for — themselves.In the endgame, Kyland and Taylor faced their closest brushes with elimination, but also showcased their tenacity. They survived the U-Turn, beating out frontrunners Tucker and Eric Des Lauriers. They landed in Italy an hour behind the other teams, but caught up to and passed Jack and Chelsie Baham. And so, arriving in New York City for the final leg, the two were ready to have Taylor become a repeat winner and Kyland a first-time champion. Unfortunately, they were going up against the veritable Yankees of Season 38 in Jas and Jag. And it was in Yankee Stadium where they ultimately finished in second, happy for the emotional prize of finding their friendship again.The day after the finale, Kyland and Taylor talk with Parade about how they wound up as the only team with two Big Brother players on the race, the U-Turn vote drama, and where their relationship currently stands.Related: Everything to Know About The Amazing Race 38
Taylor, I know that you were the one initially asked to be on the race. What was your reaction to that, and how did you ultimately get Kyland as your partner?Taylor Hale: So I got a call when calls first went out, and they said, "Hey, do you want to be on Amazing Race?" Didn't say anything about it being a special Big Brother season. I was like, "Oh, yeah, cool!" Coming off Big Brother 24, Joseph and I kind of always assumed that if either of us were to get the call, that would be the two of us. And so I was like, "Oh, it's the call. Cool. We're ready." And they said, "Absolutely not. No, you cannot have another person from Big Brother or even another reality TV show." And I was like, "Oh, okay. Well, thank you, but no thank you." And so I just kind of went out about my life.And how we ended up going on the race together, I mean, it's no secret now, we've been a very on-and-off couple. And we probably had the most heartbreaking breakup conversation right before we got the phone call. And when I say right before we got the phone call, I'm not even exaggerating. We're both crying. I think I'm barefoot, standing outside my door in the elevator bank. He's wiping tears away. Goes down the elevator. I walk inside my apartment, sitting on my couch, sobbing. My phone rings, and it's the casting director calling me, saying, "So what's going on with you and Kyland? I think I can convince them to let you do the process with him." And I was like, "...I'll call you right back." And I texted Kyland, and I was like, "You'll never believe what just happened." And we just kind of laughed and said, "This is going to be it. This is where we're really going to put everything to the test and work together and see if we can collaborate and work through it." But it was literally like break-up, heartbreak, sobbing, boom, y'all can't walk away from each other now!Kyland, what was it like from your perspective? Was Amazing Race ever something on your radar before this?Kyland Young: I didn't put The Amazing Race in my wheelhouse of possibilities. Because I think I really felt that, "Okay, we just had Derek and Claire, our really good friends, who won Season 34. They're not going to have anybody from Big Brother for probably years. It's going to be a while before they do something like that again." So I think that didn't even allow myself to think about it as an opportunity. So I wasn't ready in that sense. And then as far as what Taylor was saying, I feel like the main thought for this being something that we could do together, it was just like, some people, if they're trying to figure out if they can save their relationship, to have a baby. It's a terrible idea. I feel like going on The Amazing Race, though, is a much more strategic way to figure out, "Hey, how can we work on communication skills and see how we can align as partners?"Well you didn't have a baby. But you got a nice bundle of joy in the beginning with an Express Pass to give away. There's been a lot said about your choice to give it to Jas and Jag. Talk to me about your reasoning and how you look back on the choice now.Kyland: I feel like the reality is, if anybody's watching Amazing Race and sees a place where the Express Pass had any impact in the finale, then you're going to have to really let any of us know, because it just didn't. The only time the Express Pass mattered was, never! It didn't change the placement of anybody at any point in any of the race, and it really wouldn't have. Maybe there's teams that may have helped them survive one more leg. But as far as the outcome of the finale, there just isn't a place for it to make a significant enough impact.And so, I think that we see a lot of that commentary, like, "Oh my gosh, you gave the Express Pass to them, now they win." It's like, well, yeah, but where did that make a difference? Because the only difference it made for us was at the very first U-Turn. It did serve us as ability to have allies in Jag and Jas. They don't show in the episode, but part of the reason that they cleared the U-Turn board was to help make sure that we couldn't get U-Turned, because they know how far we were behind them, and they were able to have communication with people in the front of the pack when we were separated at the beginning. So it served us a purpose, as far as us giving it in exchange to get something. As far as the ultimate impact, it just didn't make a difference.Taylor: Truly, in retrospect, I think the emotional reaction that you're seeing people have is okay. Fine, have an emotional response. But if you are looking from the finish line to, "Oh, looking back, do you regret it?" No, it didn't do s—t!Let's then go to the other U-Turn, then. Taylor, when you found out about the "gentlemen's agreement" suspicion, you vented your frustrations about the previous U-Turn, and how you feelt the race was being dominated by men. You then revealed you had voted for Izzy and Paige, which caused them to say it felt hypocritical. Give me your perspective on that moment.Taylor: Well, I think the feelings are kind of being misinterpreted. I'm not going to cry if I don't feel bad or don't feel the ramifications of the action that I'm taking, even if I am well-aware that we know it's a burn vote. We know that Izzy and Paige are not ultimately going to get U-Turned in this, no matter how you kind of stack the cards. But that doesn't mean that the feelings that I'm having about the actions that I'm taking throughout the entire race [aren 't genuine]. There are so many conversations I had on camera and off camera with Kyland. I felt like at so many opportunities I had to betray what I stand for and what I speak about so much in order to get ahead. And I truly believe that if we won, maybe that narrative would have come through in a different way. But it's not our story about how we won The Amazing Race. So I think a lot of the decisions that we end up making that look hypocritical or counterintuitive to a lot of things that I speak to, they don't get explained or shown, because it's not our story at the end of the entire experience. So when they cut to Paige and Izzy being like, "Yeah, that felt really hypocritical. She gave this whole speech about standing for women, and then you turned the only double woman team," that's why I'm so emotional about it. It sucked. It was a s—tty feeling to do, even if I knew that the actual impact did not mean that they were going to get U-Turned. That speech didn't come from nowhere. Also, it's weird to say "speech." It was an emotional response. It was a reaction to another argument that was happening that was not included in this edit of the U-Turn vote. I saw your interview you did with Phil where he said that whole thing was longer than the episode itself. It was because I'm not just yelling to the void about, "Oh, women have it hard. Women have it hard." There's a very specific, incorrectly overheard conversation that was happening that there's no footage of. And the way that they have to use in the show is like trying to explain something, but it's not the actual conflict that was happening. And look, I get it from all parties, and I'm not going to sit here and say that people are invalid feeling the way they feel. But I'm also not going to be like, "I regret it so much! It was the wrong decision." No, it was the right decision. It just sucked to do it.Then the U-Turn vote becomes deadlocked, and you were upset to find that Adam and Joseph had voted for you in the tiebreaker. Fans have flagged that you and Joseph no longer follow each other on social media. Talk me through your reaction in that moment.Taylor: It sucked! It sucked in the moment. And I will say for me, I'm the number one person being like, "If I want a reality show, I'm gonna betray everybody! I don't care. It's all about the money." But people know that that's how I am. When I know how other people play the game, you have to act accordingly. And I had a lot of conversations about this, and I kind of swore up and down, if you're in that position, I wouldn't have a problem doing it to Joseph. And in retrospect, my real conflict here is that if I were in that position, I never would have done that to him, and he did it to me. And that hurt, and it really hurt in the moment. As for our friendship from then until before the episode aired, what I appreciated was that in the next leg, I was about to go up to him be like, "You mother—"You'd pull an Izzy! [Laughs.]Taylor: Oh, it would have been worse! It would have been so much worse. But he was able to come to me first and say, "That was cowardly what I did. I shouldn't have just walked away. I shouldn't have done that." So that's why we were able to very quickly move on from it. But I don't want to speak to something that I haven't resolved privately. But it's like, for me, just keep that energy consistently.Talking more about you as a team, you mentioned at the beginning of the season about your differences in communication. And we saw those differences come up in tasks like making mici or rowing the boat. Talk to me more about handling that, and how the audience has responded to those moments.Kyland: So I guess there's multiple things that comes to mind. Because we talk a lot about me being on the autism spectrum, speaking directly, all these things. And that's something that is very prominent in my life and something I'm constantly working to be aware of and to care about feelings and everything in that context. I do feel like there is a separate conversation, though, because I'm the biggest advocate of any diagnosis of anything is an excuse. And I think that when someone interprets it that way, that's where I come in and I get really upset as far as people that want to phrase it that way, or people that want to think that us having a conversation about that is doing the same thing.In your description of that situation, you're like, "Hey, you have a particular way of doing things." I think that the race was that perfect example of...no! While yes, I do have a particular way of doing things, and that can be important to me in the race, the only thing I care about is doing it the way that gets us judged correctly and gets us passed. I see people literally, they're having this rhetoric, of like, "Oh, Kyland just wants to do it his way." I don't care which way we do it. I want to do it the way that they approve it. And here is the way that they approve it. So that's the bottom line. The reason I get so passionate about it is because people put their own bias. If you don't like me, then don't like me, that's fine. But then don't make this comparison as far as saying, "Oh, he is trying to make things happen, her way's not being considered," all these things. And then just in the communication in general, I feel like the other thing that was specific to Taylor and I, is that we probably got commended consistently by the other cast members about how good our communication was. Because they got to see full conversations. There are situations where people see us being upset, and they're like, "Oh, they're irritated with each other, passive-aggressive." No, we're literally having conversations saying, "Hey, right now I'm really frustrated, and here's what I'm frustrated by." But obviously, whether it's for drama or time or both, those are the conversations that aren't shown. So people think that we are in this state of just being irritated in the way that we're not.Taylor: I also just want to jump in here and say I stand by everything that he's saying. There are so many opportunities in here where he could further clarify and say, "Taylor got it wrong at this point. Taylor f—ked up the directions. Taylor didn't do the mici right." At the mici specifically, I got rejected by the mici dude three or four times by the sausages. But we only see me attempt it two times, and that third or fourth time's when Kyle's like, "Okay, maybe try it this way. Can you do it this way? Try it this way?" So I really stand by that. If you don't like somebody, just don't like somebody! But to coach it in this like, "Oh, he's using a diagnosis as an excuse," or, "Oh, we saw you being annoying on a live feed one time. You're just consistently going to be like this forever." You can just not like somebody without making excuses for why you dislike them, or not talk about somebody at all!Kyland: There's so many tasks that are like, even if they're not easy, they can be simple tasks. So I think that was the weird thing. People are like, "Oh, this is condescending, because you're saying roll it like somebody who knows how to do it." It's like, well, is there another way to explain the physics of compressing something together and rolling it? The way to explain a simple task is simply, and that's just how you explain it. That's not anything about trying to speak to someone like a child. It just is the task.Finally, I know you spoke at the finish line about how this race allowed you to be friends again. But Taylor, I also know you've called Kyland the "love of your life." So where does your relationship stand after racing around Europe together?Kyland: I would say, right now, it's off in this conversation, this moment. We have a lot of conversations ongoing that doesn't really have to do with the race. I think that a lot of people get to navigate their relationships in private, and I think that that's something that we are trying to do. While acknowledging that, we understand that being on these shows is such an amazing privilege, and part of that comes with people getting this insight. But on our end, we still get the ability to decide how many of that details in addition that we want to share. It's hard enough to navigate relationships on your own. But then to navigate them with the world as well is challenging, so we try to avoid that.Taylor: I love The Amazing Race. I would do it with Kyland a million times over, every single year, two times a year. But I think the only disappointing thing that I have walking away from it was feeling like we really opened up a lot about a relationship, how we started, where we are. And it's just been kind of disappointing to feel like the warmth and the love that we really showed for each other, the kisses, the sweet moments, that wasn't something really highlighted on the show.
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