Greg Sargent: This is The Daily Blast from The New Republic, produced and presented by the DSR Network. I’m your host, Greg Sargent.
Adrian Carrasquillo: Thanks so much, Greg. It’s really an honor to be on with you.
Harry Enten (voiceover): Well, Donald Trump’s base with non-college voters is absolutely collapsing. What are we talking about here? Well, why don’t we just take a look? Voters without a college degree on Donald Trump. Look at this. Back in 2024, he won those voters over Kamala Harris by 14 points. You come over to this side of the screen, what’s his net approval rating with them? He is underwater by nine points. That’s a 23-point switcheroo with his base of non-college voters, he is absolutely collapsing.
Adrian, Trump’s coalition relies on the inroads he’s made with nonwhite working-class voters and also on overwhelming support with the white working class. You’ve written about the nonwhite working class. That coalition is really unraveling. Your thoughts on that?
What I have found now when I, when I look at focus groups and when I talk to folks is that immigration is this really secondary powerful issue—you know, this sort of backstop and this hammer as a second issue—that’s like, Well, wait a second, we’ve seen construction workers say, I thought he was going to help the economy. That’s why I voted for him, because I need my job and I need my finances to to improve—oh wait, that’s not happening.
And look—and I know that you know this too—when people used to say that they were supportive of mass deportation and maybe, you know, numbers in a CBS News poll in the fall of 2024 were 53 or 54 percent, which weren’t huge numbers, but a lot of that was around the Biden border stuff, right? Like people were like, The border is porous; I have an issue with this. And we heard that repeatedly over and over again.
And I’ll have Democrats and folks tell me like, This is not good for them for November. I mean, Stephen Miller must know this. Trump must know this. But there’s just this idea that I guess they’re just going to do as much as they can and then come with May and November.
Carrasquillo: Yeah, I mean, you know, I was—I was sort of tongue-in-cheek earlier telling my bosses that I think one of the things that I hate about covering politics and about this administration is that now everything is through a political lens. I really just wanted to enjoy that show. But all I could keep thinking—it kept seeping into my brain—MAGA’s going to hate this, they must be hating this. Not just Spanish, but then you just get into, like, all the parts of it that are so cultural and so specific.
So, you know, I just thought that, you know, there was a moment where he did this wedding. And, like, we all have weddings in our culture, but the sort of waking up the little kid with the music that’s impossibly loud, and everybody’s dancing, and everybody’s all different ages, and they’re dancing—like, there was stuff that I think it just brought to me that he’s affirming humanity at a time when this administration is denying us our humanity. And so that in and of itself is powerful right there.
Sargent: I think in a way, if you, if you put it all together, what was on display there was a very non-MAGA way of looking at our country.
So why does Bad Bunny’s message—which is just very similar conceptually; he’s saying the only thing stronger than hate is love—work when it’s coming from this guy who’s Latino, who’s Puerto Rican, who is unabashedly, authentically himself? And I mean, this is his message, right? Like, that we need to be together. And that’s what he said during the Grammys. He said, “It’s not about hating them. It’s about loving our people and protecting our people.”
Sargent: Yeah. Well, Trump, as you can imagine, had already been raging about the decision to feature Bad Bunny in the halftime show. And then when he saw it, he absolutely erupted. I’m just going to read from his post:
Adrian, this is someone who’s absolutely convinced that most Americans are going to see the show as somehow an insult to the country. It’s kind of funny because he accuses others of not having a clue about what’s going on in the real world, but he’s plainly out of touch with how most Americans will receive this thing, don’t you think?
And there was a killing of a man in Chicago named Silverio in the fall, in September, who was dropping off his kid at daycare—who’s three years old. And a couple minutes later, they box him in; he gets scared, he tries to get out of there, and they kill the guy. And that did not get as much attention.
Sargent: Don’t you think that to most Americans, they’re going to just see this as a sort of celebration of diversity and a celebration of immigration? I think that’s how most Americans will receive this show. And to MAGA and Trump, that very idea—the idea of celebrating diversity, the idea of celebrating immigration as a positive good for the country—is itself a bridge too far. It’s repellent to them.
And I’m watching the show. I’m understanding that there’s people watching that really, really get every single little message and thing. And so that’s, I think, yesterday—like a lot of people watching yesterday do not speak Spanish, do not get all the specific Puerto Rican cultural references, but just from the show, just from the very people that are dancing, the sort—they know who Lady Gaga is; they know who Ricky Martin is from his time when he crossed over and came to the U.S.
Sargent: Exactly. Well, so MAGA, in fact, erupted over this show. Nick Adams, one of Trump’s picks as an ambassador, asked, “Was a single word of English spoken during the show?” Laura Loomer said, “Can’t even watch a Super Bowl anymore because immigrants have literally ruined everything.” And another MAGA influencer attacks Bad Bunny as a “fake American citizen performing who publicly hates America.” Well, there you have it, right? Like, to them, it is the very fact that immigrants were being celebrated that itself made it unbearable.
Yeah, I mean, it’s just—and then, of course, is Bad Bunny an immigrant? The answer is no, because he’s a Puerto Rican. He’s a U.S. citizen. So they just—it sort of pains me to discuss that part of it when, like, when people were trying to compare as if Kid Rock was on the same level as Bad Bunny, when Bad Bunny has 87.5 million Spotify listeners monthly and Kid Rock has five million.
Sargent: I just want to bring up one other quick thing about Laura Loomer, because it’s so funny. She actually tweeted at one point during the show, “Someone call in an ICE raid at the Super Bowl.”
And we all know why that is. It’s because they would have almost certainly gotten a hostile reception. So to me, that really illustrates something pretty fundamental about how lost MAGA is here. Laura Loomer thinks that ICE would be welcome at this place, and MAGA thinks they own football. MAGA thinks the world of football is, like, their part of the culture. They own it.
You know, so, like, their entire story and narrative—their fantasy about the dangerous immigrant and the national, you know, emergency—we all know it’s BS because we’ve seen it for over a year now. But now all these institutions are finally—I don’t even know if they’re growing a spine, but they’re just realizing—this White House is a paper tiger. They’re just not as scary as they act.
We were actually told that one of the reasons the nonwhite working class went for Trump in larger numbers than usual was because of his anti-immigrant message—that Democrats have to accept that there’s a sizable chunk of anti-immigrant people within the nonwhite working class. If Democrats are ever going to compete with the working class again, they have to embrace in some form an anti-immigrant, or at least somewhat restrictionist, politics.
Carrasquillo: Yeah. It makes me think about if we go back to 2024 and that fall. We all knew—and afterward, when we saw the results of the election, we all knew—why that was problematic for Democrats, because they have in the past relied on these larger percentages and margins with Latino voters. So that’s certainly something they had to work on.
The economy is a mess. We keep seeing—and all we are seeing—and I don’t think that voters generally care that much about our standing in the world and different things. They care about their pocketbook, number one. But all we’re seeing is that abroad we’re a joke and we’re not liked. And J.D. Vance is getting booed at the Olympics.
And so that to me tells a huge story there, which is that they are—they’re really in trouble with what’s going on with the community. And we see places like Minnesota, the way they’re fighting back so bravely, and it’s not just Black and brown people that are fighting back. It’s white people who are saying, “What the hell do you think you’re doing in our communities?”
Carrasquillo: Yeah. I mean, it was interesting. Sometimes when I see the way that he represents the culture and Latinos and stuff, sometimes it hits me kind of emotionally. Yesterday, I was just having a blast. I just had this, like, cheesy smile pasted on my face, and just thinking about how much MAGA was just hating every moment of this was particularly juicy.
And that turns out to have been a huge over-reading of his win, which was, as you pointed out earlier, about the economy, about prices, and that sort of thing. And so we now see that he’s hemorrhaging nonwhite working-class support at the exact moment that he’s carrying out the restrictionist agenda.
Carrasquillo: Yeah, I don’t think it was an anti-immigrant turn. I think the economic anxiety, you know, that people had—and we saw this even from Latinos that voted for him, you know, through an economic lens. But I think that he also knows what’s coming and his administration knows the danger they’re in because look at the way that they’re trying to mess with the 2026 elections in particular states, trying to look into voting machines and irregularities and all those things.
Sargent: It’s sure looking like that, and I sure hope so. I think a lot of that will turn on what happens with these working-class voters, but it looks good right now. Folks, if you enjoyed this conversation, make sure to check out Adrian Carrasquillo’s great newsletter, Huddled Masses, which is all about immigration and Latino culture. Adrian, great to have you on.
Carrasquillo: Thanks for having me. I appreciate it.
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