In July 2025, on his Diary of a CEO (DOAC) podcast, Steven Bartlett interviewed a man who styles himself as Dr K – full name, Dr Alok M Kanojia. He’s a psychiatrist, with some monk training under his cincture. The episode blurb promises that “Dr. K reveals the SHOCKING truth about masturbation, pornography, dopamine burnout, incels, and why 60 per cent of men under 30 are single”.
A clip from this show surfaced recently and the response on socials has been explosive.
In it, Bartlett poses the question, “A huge amount of men aged 15 to 50 will not pass on their genes. They will effectively die out of the gene mating pool. Many people will say ‘That’s evolution’. But… Should society intervene to course correct that, put systems in place so that those men meet partners?”The reverberating question from my social media timeline was, what could Bartlett possibly mean by this? How can women be forced to partner with men and have their babies? Would that involve state intervention? Coercion? Assault? Some kind of Handmaid’s-style horror show?
I understand that Bartlett’s stance is that he’s just “asking questions” but some questions shift the Overton window, making the arguments acceptable to the public.
If men with huge platforms publicly and calmly ask a question like this, it introduces an idea most people would never have thought of and also normalises the fact that half of their listeners may well say, “yes”. And the more polite, articulate and moderate-seeming the men are, the more it seems like the kind of thing a polite, articulate and moderate-seeming man might think. We can’t be surprised if those views end up in our pubs, schools, churches and legislative debating chambers.
Dr K more or less side steps the question while declaring that there is a “mating crisis” that could end up in “an extinction event” because there’s a certain number of men whose “genes will die out.” So Bartlett poses the question again. Dr K’s next answer seems to have passed the internet by.
He says, “Do people have the right to reproduce? The answer is basically no. For men, that requires the consent of someone else. And my right to reproduce never trumps someone’s right to not want to reproduce with me.” Dr K then goes on to identify the only problem that can be fixed: “A third of the men I meet do not know how to give or receive love. It has nothing to do with their Tinder profiles. People can say “make more money” or “go to the gym” but if you do not know how to give or receive love that’s a huge problem.”
And while Dr K and I are not on the same side of the political divide on much, I think he’s right about this. The fix is obviously not to somehow create a dystopian baby farm for men who claim that they’re involuntarily celibate (which I’m sure Bartlett wasn’t really suggesting), but to work with those men on themselves.
Young men are watching endless hours of manosphere content, telling them if they’re not six foot and earning six figures, women won’t bother with them and feminism is to blame.
I guarantee that most women are not looking for the biggest muscles on the guy who works the longest hours, but rather connection, thoughtfulness and respect. And anyone can deliver that if they’re comfortable with themselves and open to finding someone whose company they truly enjoy, with a view to forming an equal partnership.
But these young men aren’t looking for that. Their 24/7 online mentors are telling them they deserve a woman who looks like a Love Island contestant but has never had a boyfriend. She should also have “feminine energy” (whatever that means) and wants to pump out babies on request.
Speaking of Love Island, a former contestant turned bro-caster, Chris Williamson, appeared on DOAC late last year. He talked a lot about women’s emancipation being responsible for the “breeding crisis” as well as a new pervasive “anti-family message.” In an extraordinary moment, Bartlett said to him, “I saw a tweet, which has kind of haunted me for 12 months. It said, why do all the big male podcasters not have kids? They all talk about the population crisis”.
The two men analysed why they were both child-free in their thirties and concluded they’d been focused on their self-development, careers and personal freedom. And I think this is at the heart of the problem.
There is always a lingering assumption that men should feel entitled to take their time to grow (and podcast of course) while, women should be brood mares and are letting society down with their notions of higher education and “emancipation”. I’m not quite sure who the young women are supposed to “mate” with, while the men are doing all the self-actualising, mind.
Last June, I was a guest on (DOAC). It started as a “feminist debate”, stacked with two other guests who identify as feminists, but are consistently critical of it and happen to be on the advisory board of Jordan Peterson’s Alliance for Responsible Citizenship, whose aim is to “unite conservative voices and propose policy based on traditional Western values”.
There was a lot of concern for boys and men feeling lonely and being left behind academically which was blamed, in large part, on feminism and women striving for more. There was also much content guilting women into staying home full time with their children, even when it was pointed out that this was, for most, an economic impossibility.
At one point I asked Steven, “Would you give up your career to look after children full time?” and he truthfully said no. I was assured by the other guests that it was different for men. It is – and it will continue to be as long as people are seduced by hours of this kind of conditioning.
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Having a podcast with a large listenership is a responsibility. You’re shaping the Overton window, i.e. the range of political arguments acceptable to the public at any given time. All well-known podcasters have to consider how they’re changing the world. It’s not an “if” but a “how”.
It is common now for hosts to say, “I’m just asking questions and neutrally listening to the answers. I want to hear all points of view.” But if the same questions are asked all the time to the same kind of commentators – and the answers, even when they’re unfounded or pernicious, go unchallenged, they’re changing the world we all have to live in.
If the third of men that Dr K identifies “do not know how to give or receive love” and that (combined with an isolated life on screens and the hellscape that is dating apps) is at the root of their alienation, then responsible broadcasters, who work in the self-development/social engineering space, must explore that.
Constantly hosting guests who blame women because we also wish to spend time in education and self-development is fostering unfair resentment and even a dangerous hatred that is changing the fabric of society.
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