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Podcaster and Investigative journalist Pablo Torres has partnered with Mother Jones to release the most comprehensive podcast to date about the Riley Gaines and Lia Thomas saga – though it also included new information about former Kentucky coaches Chip Kline and Lars Jorgensen.
The podcast PABLO TORRES FINDS OUT, which was named one of Apples top podcasts of 2025 in part because of its work to uncover an NBA scandal that involved fraudulently paying players, took on the big, sprawling, and increasingly-visible saga that took Gaines from an All-American swimmer to one of the most visible figures in American politics.
The podcast, which the algorithm simultaneously pushed to every swim-fans social media feeds on Thursday morning, is supported by Madison Pauly from left-leaning investigative outlet Mother Jones, who did most of the leg-work on the story.
Read the Mother Jones story here.Besides giving a comprehensive (and balanced) recap of the Gaines/ Thomas story and many of its tendrils (including Gaines’ connection to now-banned coach Lars Jorgensen), in the podcast, Pauly and Torres dig into the money that is fueling Gaines’ rise, and interviews other members of the Kentucky team who were there at the time about both Jorgensen and Gaines.
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