When Donald Trump was interviewed by Joe Rogan for his podcast last October he sat down and engaged in a back-and-forth for three whole hours.
Election day was just weeks away but Trump’s team rightly decided it was time well spent.
The Joe Rogan Experience is the most popular podcast in the country. But more than that, the 57-year former comedian personified the kind of everyday American male to whom Trump was seeking to appeal.
He did just that, winning not only Rogan’s backing but the votes of 55 per cent of men, up from 50 per cent in 2020.
Rogan was one of several members of the conservative so-called Manosphere who backed Trump rather than Democrat Kamala Harris. Loosely defined as the online male community that focuses on men’s issues, the manosphere often overlaps with support for populist, anti-establishment issues, “traditional masculinity”, and misogyny.
Trump, his future wife Melania, Epstein and British socialite Ghislaine Maxwell at the Mar-a-Lago club, Palm Beach, Florida in 2000 (Photo: Davidoff Studios/Getty Images)The influential comedian Theo Von, 45, also hosted Trump on his podcast, as did Andrew Schulz, 41.
Indeed, when the Democrats picked through the wreckage of their electoral defeat, one frequently asked question was why the party did not have a “liberal Joe Rogan”.
Yet five months into Trump’s presidency the Manosphere is not a happy place and many who supported the president are angry – even before the astonishing events of the past couple of weeks over the Jeffrey Epstein case.
Their fury initially focused on several things, from the failure to cut the deficit to the way the immigration crackdown has largely targeted day labourers and farm workers rather than the dangerous criminals Trump had promised.
Billionaire X owner and former Trump special adviser Elon Musk has spoken out repeatedly against the President’s bill, with the two men hurling abuse at each other on their respective social media platforms.
After the federal immigration enforcement agency known as ICE carried out raids last month in cities such as Los Angeles and Trump sent in both the National Guard and the Marine to deal with protesters, Rogan said the move was “insane”.
Steve Bannon, a former Trump adviser, has called for a special prosecutor to investigate the Epstein matter (Photo by Kayla Bartkowski/Getty Images)“There are two things that are insane,” said Rogan, whose podcast has 100 million listeners. “One is the targeting of migrant workers. Not cartel members, not gang members, not drug dealers.” He added: “Just construction workers – showing up at construction sites, raiding them.”
Trump also promised to keep America out of conflicts and avoid the type of “forever wars” he critiqued his predecessors in the Oval Office for joining.
In June when Trump ordered a military strike on Iran, Von called it a “horrible idea” that made it appear as though the US was beholden to Israel.
Before the strike, Von said the Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, scared him. “I don’t know why we support them,” he said. “I wish they would really give us a better explanation…especially after the massacres in Gaza.”
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When Schulz interviewed Trump last October, he laughed when the Republican nominee called himself “basically a truthful person”. Schulz nevertheless backed him.
Now he appears to be regretting that decision. During a recent episode of his Flagrant podcast, he said he was getting messages from people blaming him for voting for Trump.
“I’m like ‘I voted for none of this’,” he said. “He’s doing the exact opposite of everything I voted for. I want him to stop the wars – he’s funding them. I want him to shrink spending, reduce the budget – he’s increasing it.”
But recently, it is the spectre of Epstein that has made such supporters despair to such an extent that they are questioning their loyalty to the President.
The convicted paedophile took his own life in his New York jail cell six years ago. Yet Trump’s handling of a long-promised investigation into the sex offender has lit a fuse that has refused to be extinguished.
For years, Trump and his supporters appeared united in the idea that, were he to be returned to power, what they alleged was a cover-up protecting powerful elites would be made public and “names would be named”.
If one enjoyed conspiracies, as many of Trump’s supporters do, it seemed to make enough sense. After all, here was a man who once socialised with everyone from Bill Gates, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton and even Trump.
Yet when the Department of Justice announced that it could find no “client list” and said there would be no further investigations, many of Trump’s most loyal supporters felt stunned, angry and let down.
Podcasters Theo Von and Andrew Schulz have openly criticised some of Trump’s decisions (Photo: Tammie Arroyo; Emma McIntyre/ Getty Images)Not surprisingly, many of those most unhappy about the Epstein issue include leading members of the Manosphere.
Talking about the decision, Rogan said: “They can lie about all kinds of things. Where’s the Epstein files? ‘Oh, can’t find them, don’t exist’. Like, they can get away with shit.”
It is not just people such as Rogan who disapprove of the way Trump has dealt with the issue.
A poll published by Quinnipiac University found 63 of voters disapproved. (His overall approval rating was at 40 per cent, with 54 per cent disapproving.)
Trump would like nothing more than for all of this to go away so he can get back to whatever he was doing before. Since then, the claim there are no files has prompted such spiralling rage that Trump has been forced to address the situation several times. But he has his back against the wall.
In typical Trump fashion he has now attacked those critical of him, saying they were “weaklings” doing the “the Democrats’ work”.
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It is hard to see an easy off-ramp for Trump if he does not want to lose the support of his base.
On Thursday he said he had ordered the Justice Department to release additional documents related to Epstein.
“Based on the ridiculous amount of publicity given to Jeffrey Epstein, I have asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to produce any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval,” Trump said.
However, it is unclear whether this means the documents will be released publicly.
Some prominent voices in the manosphere, including former campaign manager Steve Bannon, have suggested the only way to win back his supporters would be the appointment of a special counsel to investigate the Epstein matter.
Will Trump go for that?
He regretted being persuaded to appoint one during his first term to investigate Russia’s influence in the 2016 election, something he always referred to as “the Russia hoax” and which he sought to undermine.
He won’t wish to take such a step again, not knowing how it might play out.
But he may have no choice.
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