“We’re middle-aged,” podcaster Jennifer Welch says of herself and her cohost Angie Sullivan. “We’re Fox News–coded.” The Fovibe can leave people uneasy, she says. “‘Oh, shit, where were these women on January 6?’”
But the J6 impression doesn’t last. On their hugely popular podcast I’ve Had It, Welch and Sullivan waste no time in uncorking woke sass. Last August, Welch went viral, saying, “I’ve had it with white people that triple-Trumped, that have the nerve and the audacity to walk into a Mexican restaurant, a Chinese restaurant, an Indian restaurant, go to perhaps their gay hairdresser—I don’t think you should be able to enjoy anything but Cracker Barrel.” Welch’s mean-girl nickname for Trump—“Canks,” for his swollen calf-ankles—won her more praise for gall, as has her ruthless criticism of moderate Democrats.
Being leftists in Fox’s clothing turns out to be an excellent political niche. Last year, left-wing Gen Z podcaster Matt Bernstein admiringly interviewed Welch on a show called “The Liberal Wine Moms are Radicalizing.” Rad streamer Hasan Piker praised the Welch-Sullivan show as “the most radical progressive podcast in North America.” With their down-home accents and brassy style, Welch and Sullivan seem to have resurrected Ann Richards, the iconoclastic pro-choice governor of Texas in the 1990s. They have millions of followers on TikTok and YouTube, and their show is often at the very top of Apple Podcast ratings.
But they and other Fox blondes with left-wing views are also exploiting a truth now universally acknowledged. With white women in America, it’s always a coin toss.
White women will simply never live down the fact that a majority of them triple-Trumped. And of course the biggest MAGA hams are white women: ICE Barbies, trad wives, MAHA mothers, racist Karens, and anti-feminist belles in porny, Mar-a-Lago makeup. The presumption of MAGA sympathies among white women has even made space for Iyoncé, a popular Black social-media creator. Iyoncé advises potentially MAGA-presenting white women on how to signal that they’re “safe,” meaning antifascist. For a safe look, she recommends wearing a crossbody bag, looking tired from doomscrolling, and refusing to cover gray hair.
These are excellent tips for many white women. But Welch and Sullivan—and fellow lefty podcasters Amy Poehler, Nicolle Wallace, and Glennon Doyle—don’t look tired or have gray hair. That’s why their clique of white women is uniquely threatening. Matthew Bernstein is right: They’re the dreaded wine moms, the sardonic Yellow Tail consumers who can blend in with Christian nationalists in segregated MAGA spaces. Mere rumors of their presence can destabilize white families, communities, institutions. If antifascist protesters now wear MAGA caps and dress like far-right frogs to confuse ICE, the wine moms who costume themselves as trad wives may have pioneered this form of undercover sabotage.
It’s no wonder MAGA Megyn Kelly is set off by fellow white women like Poehler; her book-club manner conceals liberal commitments, making her a traitor to the master-race ladies’ auxiliary club. And surely Tucker Carlson had wine moms in his sights in 2022 when he said, “The archetype of the person that I don’t like is a 38-year-old female white lawyer,” adding: “I hate you.”
So wine moms have the right enemies. But they can also give Vichy vibes. Wine moms can present to Black women as the 2021 Women’s March did: a bunch of rich white knitters, brunchers, and pick-me girls. But like Zohran Mamdani keeping a poker face beside Donald Trump in the Oval Office, wine moms are practiced in staying Sphinxlike as MeToo bosses and trad sisters preach right-wing madness. Only later do they turn tactical and become “the skunk at the garden party,” as Welch now describes herself.
Still, after 10 years of patience, protests, and panic, wine moms are drunk on pain. Last week, one of their number, Renee Good, was shot three times at point-blank range by ICE officer Jonathan Ross, who then said the loud part louder: “Fucking bitch.”
So wine moms have turned their pain to rage.
At the same time, in the paranoid and spiraling Trump administration, wine moms have managed to gain a reputation as outright terrorists.
In a vile January 11 column for Fox News, Canks supporter David Marcus warned: “What we are seeing across the country [is] organized gangs of wine moms [who] use Antifa tactics.” He then lied that Good, who had been murdered just days earlier, was “a trained member” of just such a phantom wine-mom gang.
Marcus of course had no evidence. To him, the problem was Good’s race and gender. He cited a zombie poll without a link: “Only 24% of Americans believe that it is acceptable to go beyond peaceful protest in response to ICE enforcement. But among White women 18-44, that number leaps to an astounding 61%.”
So now Fox News is framing a majority of white women as terrorists. Perhaps one day an ICE officer will be asked in a hearing where exactly the wine-mom gangsters were headquartered; what their training consisted of; where their WMDs were; and just how dangerous they were such that they merited being preemptively murdered for attending a protest.
This panic about moms is somewhat anomalous in repressive regimes. Two years ago, a Cambridge University study of protesters found that while women-dominated protests are put down less often than those dominated by men, the level of violence also depends on what kind of woman is involved. “Feminists are deemed more deserving of repression” than “women who highlight their roles as mothers and wives.”
Feminists, it turns out, also have children these days. They’re the bad kind of moms.
In eighteenth-century London, gin was known as “Mother’s Ruin,” and enterprising working-class gin moms were feared as menaces to society. Similarly, the 1960s white ladies drawn to Mother’s Little Helpers agitated the patriarchy. They did too much skipping of chores, consciousness-raising, and leaving of husbands.
Wine moms today might or might not drink wine. But like their bygone sisters in gin and pills, they might prove ungovernable.
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