Anthony Scaramucci is a man of many stripes. Former Donald Trump adviser, one-time White House official, financier, broadcaster and, it turns out, astrologer.
We are sitting at the table of a swanky west London hotel to discuss his upcoming book – a tell-all memoir covering US politics from his front-row seat, which featured an infamous 10-day stint as Trump’s White House communications director – but the first thing Scaramucci wants to talk about is star signs.
Within a few minutes, he has used my age and birthday to analyse my romantic relationship and diagnose my personality traits with surprising accuracy. I ask about Trump’s horoscope. “He’s a classic Gemini,” Scaramucci replies in a broad New York accent, referring to the Spring star sign typically symbolised by a good and bad twin. In Trump’s case though, both are “evil”.
There is perhaps some celestial irony that Scaramucci’s own birthday is 6 January, the date now immortalised by the Capitol attack of 2021, when about 2,000 Trump supporters smashed through the seat of the US Congress, demanding the result of the presidential election be overturned. It was the zenith of a political movement that Scaramucci helped to build – and now sees as his mission to tear down.
A long-term Republican donor and founder of investment firm SkyBridge Capital, Scaramucci worked as an adviser on Trump’s presidential transition team and was a top official at the Export-Import Bank – the US Government’s export credit agency – before joining the White House as communications director in July 2017.
The appointment of Scaramucci, an acquaintance of real estate mogul Trump from the New York social scene, led to the resignation of chief of staff Reince Priebus and spokesman Sean Spicer. Ten days into his tenure, he was sacked after making disparaging comments about administration officials in a conversation he thought was off the record.
Now, at 62, “The Mooch” has become a broadcasting star and one of the US President’s harshest critics, describing his support for Trump as the “biggest mistake of his life”.
“It’s as if a bully got the top job,” Scaramucci, who hosts The Rest Is Politics: US podcast alongside BBC correspondent Katty Kay, says of Trump’s election. “You want a benevolent uncle who’s sitting on the most powerful military and the most powerful economy in the world to help oversee the world, but you got a bully.”
The presidency was, Scaramucci believes, a lifelong goal of Trump’s – not, as was rumoured, a response to teasing from Barack Obama at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Dinner. Trump has a “massive chip on his shoulder”, Scaramucci says, though he still hasn’t figured out exactly why. “I’m not a psychotherapist, but it’s very important for him to force himself into the world, right? He’s got to have his name plastered on every building. He’s got to have different brands associated with his name.”
But he is nothing if not tenacious, adds Scaramucci, noting Trump’s capacity for bouncing back – from bankrupt businesses to reality TV and later, the presidency. “On a scale of one to 10, what is his resilience? It’s a 10. Coming back from failure? It’s a 10. You can hate the guy, but I’m just telling you,” he says. “He’s an incredibly hard worker. You can’t look at a guy who’s 80 and say he doesn’t have energy and he doesn’t have a robust personality.”
Scaramucci and his former boss in the Oval Office, in June 2017 (Photo: Anthony Scaramucci/Facebook)Trump’s stellar recovery is not unlike that of the indefatigable Scaramucci himself, who turned his ill-fated stint in the White House into a successful media career and is now worth an estimated $200m, thanks to his hedge fund and hosting popular crypto conferences. He will appear in Sky’s four-part “constructed documentary” series The Wargame from next week, alongside Michael Gove, Nicola Sturgeon and Penny Mordaunt.
Yet in their outlook, the two men are poles apart. Scaramucci recalls a TV appearance where he was asked about the President’s comments on four Democratic congresswomen known as the Squad – three of whom are American-born and one naturalised – in which Trump said they should go back to the countries they came from.
“I said, that’s a nativist, racist thing to say,” he says. “They said that to my Italian American grandmother in the 1920s. It hurt her feelings. She used to always talk about that with us. None of us speak Italian because of that; because my grandmother was afraid of that racism.”
Trump is often accused of having no ideology, taking a purely transactional approach to decisions honed in his real estate past. Scaramucci doesn’t agree. Instead, he categorises the 80-year-old’s ideology as one of three components: isolationism, xenophobia and anti-immigration.
Scaramucci believes that Trump and Steve Bannon (his former White House adviser, ex-convict and prominent Maga broadcaster) have a vision of an America that has been taken for granted by the world and should be walled off – at times, literally. “They would rather have the plastic cup made in the US for $5 than in China for five cents,” he says.
Despite some failures – he cites Afghanistan and Iraq – Scaramucci believes that the US has helped raise living standards around the world and, through legal migration, its own “intellectual capital” at home.
He recognises some of the Trumpian politics here in Britain, describing Reform UK leader Nigel Farage as a “dumber version of Trump”.
“He has Trump’s guile and shamelessness, and he’s got Trump’s corruptibility. But Trump is smart. He got to the American presidency twice. Farage doesn’t have the political instincts Trump has, he doesn’t have the bombast and the flair. In 2016, Trump had almost 100 per cent name recognition. Farage doesn’t have that.”
Scaramucci gives a briefing at the White House during his 11-day stint as White House Communications Director (Photo: Reuters/Jonathan Ernst)Critics of the President say he has been equally destructive abroad, launching a war in Iran which has killed thousands and spooked the global economy, turning on allies and ditching international institutions. “If you said to me that in my lifetime an American president would reject Nato, threaten the invasion of Greenland, post pictures of putting the American flag over the provinces of Canada and Mexico and Greenland, I would tell you: that’s absolutely mad,” Scaramucci says.
He is particularly incredulous at Trump’s decision to cut back military aid to Ukraine as it faces a brutal Russian invasion, particularly after the 1994 treaty with Kyiv, when it handed over nuclear weapons in exchange for security guarantees.
“Putin has a hold on Donald Trump, and I don’t know why,” Scaramucci says, echoing fears around the US President’s threats to Nato and repetition of Russian rhetoric that – inadvertently or not – appears to play into the Russian leader’s hands. “We have an agent for Vladimir Putin at the top of the American government.”
A US government report found systematic Russian attempts to interfere with the 2016 election, including a social media campaign in support of Trump and intelligence work against Hillary Clinton. The New York Times exposed phone records and intercepted calls that showed Trump associates had repeated contacts with senior Russian intelligence officials in the year before the election. Trump admitted that his son met a Russian lawyer to garner information on his opponent but argued it was legal.
“Trump challenging our electoral integrity in our country is full-on cynicism that somebody like Vladimir Putin would want in the West,” Scaramucci says.
On Venezuela, however, Scaramucci thinks Trump was right. “Even though I despise the guy, he does deserve that win,” he says, noting that Nicolás Maduro was an unelected dictator and his removal was “a net positive to the West”.
Trump’s latest target is Ireland, with his comments supporting Irish reunification during his weekend visit threatening to blow open tensions there. But Scaramucci brushes this off.
“I think if it was said by Barack Obama or Bill Clinton or a president that was viewed as a normal person and not a bipolar maniac, I think it would be taken more seriously. But I think that commentary will be wrapping fish in two weeks.”
Scaramucci with Trump on Air Force One on 24 July 2017 – the day his son was born (Photo: Anthony Scaramucci on Twitter)Scaramucci may have done a U-turn on Trump, but believes the US President too has changed, morphing into a “hard right, ultra nationalist, and an ardent and strident social conservative”. His slide to the right has been accompanied by growing concerns about his health; earlier this year, 30 senior doctors signed a statement declaring he was mentally unfit to serve and that his ability to launch nuclear weapons was a “danger” to the world.
Scaramucci has previously claimed Trump was “losing it, mentally” but dismisses theories that the President has dementia as “BS”, putting the change down to a combination of age and status. Trump became the oldest US President to be sworn in to office when he returned to power in February 2025 aged 78.
“Has he declined? We’re all declining,” says Scaramucci. “There’s also the imperial nature of the presidency; the majesty, the power, the pomp, which has also changed him. Obama said it better than me: The presidency, if you’re a good guy coming into the presidency, you can magnify your good guyness. If you’re a bad guy coming into the presidency, guess what? It’s going to magnify your bad guyness.”
With such ideological chasms between Scaramucci and his former boss, how did he end up as Trump’s professional attack dog?“I’m a 30-year Republican presidential fundraiser,” he explains. His political work began with Bob Dole in 1996 and in the 2016 Republican primaries, he worked for candidates Scott Walker and Jeb Bush before they dropped out of the race. Trump was his third choice, Scaramucci says, and he initially didn’t take his candidacy seriously.
“Like most Republicans, I was reluctant to be with him, and I ended up with him by default because he won. Now, I have said it repeatedly, and I’ll say it to you, that was probably the biggest mistake of my career. Jeb Bush told me not to go work for him. I didn’t listen to him.”
Over time, Scaramucci says he got “sucked in like everybody else”.
“You get sucked into your own bullshit of power and significance, and then you start to equivocate, and then you start to lose yourself,” he says. “You become a moral hypocrite like everybody else that goes to work for Donald Trump.”
It was a mistake that nearly cost Scaramucci his marriage. In July 2017, his pregnant wife Deidre Ball filed for divorce, and later that month, Scaramucci missed the birth of his son James because he was on board Air Force One. The couple later reconciled.
Many Republicans, Scaramucci argues, are “still lying to themselves, trying to justify their support of Trump and all the stupid shit that they do.”
“I don’t do that,” he insists. “I say: The guy’s a f**king asshole.”
The financier turned Trump aide speaks to the media at the White House in July 2017 (Photo: AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais)But he believes the tide is turning on Trump. Republicans on the campaign trail are, he says, distancing themselves from the President, scrubbing his name from websites and campaign posters. His approval rating is hovering around 33 per cent of registered voters, a record low.
Trump supporters, Scaramucci thinks, are experiencing “buyer’s remorse”. A quarter of his fans are diehard, says Scaramucci, and will be with him no matter what because of the “anger-based politics” we have now, but independents feel misled. Trump promised to lower prices and end forever wars, but has increased both, he adds.
Polling indicates that the Republicans will be punished for this at November’s midterm elections, losing the House of Representatives and possibly the Senate. But if the Democrats pick a leader further to the left, they could still lose, Scaramucci believes, saying Americans “don’t like wokeism and the culture war stuff”. At the next presidential election, his money would be on California Governor Gavin Newsom or Pennsylvania Governor Josh Shapiro, both of whom he believes could beat almost any Republican.
Despite Trump’s comments on 2028, Scaramucci disputes theories that Trump will try to change the constitution to give himself another term in office. He thinks the US government will be able to constrain him – or he will struggle to pull it off. “The good news about Trump is he’s very disorganised. He has the attention span of a fruit fly,” he says. “He’s going to be 82, and he’s universally disliked. If he was 51, I’d say: you’ve got a huge problem with this guy.”
In response to Scaramucci’s criticism of Trump, White House spokesman Davis Ingle told The i Paper: “Anthony Scaramucci lasted 11 short days in the White House. He makes lightweights look credible.”
Scaramucci is not sure how long it will take the GOP to return to the “old legacy party” he supported when Trump eventually departs the Oval Office. But he believes that the “populist anger” gripping the US, fuelled by spiralling inflation, won’t disappear overnight. “This is economic desperation, as opposed to aspiration,” he says.
His new book is, he says, an attempt to unpick how the US got here. It is not a hit piece, nor is it tribal, he insists. There are well-intentioned characters of different political persuasions – like Barack Obama and George Bush, who Scaramucci feels were trying to do the right thing – as well as villains. Trump falls in the latter category, with Scaramucci describing him as a fundamentally “malevolent person”.
“It’s an objective observation of mistakes that we made, Democrats and Republicans… that led to the anger-based populism that we’re living in today,” he says. “I believe that the platform I’ve been given, due to the infamy of my firing, is giving me a standing to at least object to what is going on and to offer some ideas.”
Would he ever run for office himself? “I’m not well suited for that,” he says. Why? “I don’t think I’m a congenital liar,” he smiles. He would, however, be willing to back another candidate with fundraising and media support.
Though his fall from power may have been dramatic, it is clear Scaramucci is far from done with US politics. After his role in creating the problem, he says, “I would like to be part of the solution.”
All the Wrong Moves by Anthony Scaramucci (The Bodley Head, £25) is published on 17 September
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