?Don’t miss our weekly Survivor newsletter! Sign up to get Mike Bloom’s exclusive interviews with the players and the latest news about the show right to your inbox.?Joe entered his second season in a surprisingly fragile state for a returning player. That's due in large part to watching back his season the entirety of the spring, and watching Kyle Fraser and Kamilla Karthigesu undermine him, despite the relationship he thought he had. It was clear early on that, after feeling like he got "pantsed on national television," Joe was now playing with Survivor suspenders. And that came to a head mere days into the game with Rick Devens, as we got to see what happens when an unstoppable force meets an immovable object.
How are you doing this morning, Joe? What's your headspace after finishing in the exact same position as you did last time, but in a completely different way?Honestly, Mike, I'm just filled with gratitude. There's all this talk, and most people lead with negativity, right? This is not blowing smoke. I got on Survivor, the initial blow was from my sister. And I was just on the tail end of a beautiful, brutal divorce. And anyone in production that knows me, my journey from then to now, I feel like I won. I really do. It isn't that I didn't want to win and get first. But no one can take away getting back to the Final Three. So what I'm feeling is, when I look at my torches at my house now, two of them, they've never been snuffed. [Most] people can say they haven't been voted out. That's a great feeling, man. So I feel great.Let's get into how Day 26 went for you this time around. From our perspective, it seemed like the conversation was around Aubry or Jonathan. Did you get that sense as well? What was your reaction to how you were treated by the jury?I mean, this is the truth about it. The second I sat on that stool, regardless of what anyone's truth says it is, I could tell right away. I could point out the people that were like, "Hey, I don't like Joe," or whatever reason. They can say whatever they want. I knew. I could count. I could tell you right now, like, "You're not voting for me." It didn't matter what I said. And I was like, "Do we have to do this? I can get up and go". So, there was that. And then the other piece is within that, if you really go back and watch the film, I'm big on watching film. It's a question on top of a question. So it'd be like, "Hey, I want to ask this," and then someone would chime in. They all wanted their time. So it's like," I'm gonna ask a question to Joe, and the three of us." And then another person would lead into it, and I lead into it, and then we would never go back to the original question. People like Emily Rick Devens, Christian, Dee were very good, I felt, at making us all feel heard. They did a good job of like, "This is a discussion. Give them all a chance." Not, "Oh, you don't understand this, you don't understand that." They got it. So I could tell I was cooked before we opened our mouths.What was your reaction when Cirie mentioned the "Joe-tation"? And generally the perception from some people that they had to play around you and you had to be monitored?I mean, it's a great question. I won't comment. I'm not going to comment on it. I feel that the tone of it, I won't comment on that. But I'll say this, anyone out there that I got vulnerable with, that's what I do with my people. For my people, I'm going to vent to you like I would no one else. People I don't like, my enemies, when you ask me a question, I don't say a word to you. Or I say things like, "It's great, we're good, we're having a good time." But then when I open up to you about, like, "I can't believe this," it's like your spouse.I thought we were in that zone where I could [do that]. And if that's going to be taken as out of context to managing me, that sucks. I misread the relationship. And that's okay; that's part of the game. This isn't about feelings, or "you can't handle this." There's nothing to do with that. If you walk into an arena with me, and you want to play like that, we can play like that, right? It's more about, I misread it, and that's my fault again. And it's not against the rules, it's not a bad thing. It's just okay. I didn't know that, and, if I play again, okay, different outcome.To that point, let's talk about one of your most vocal opponents this season: Rick Devens. It's clear the two of you just have fundamentally different thoughts on the game, which bore out in this argument that was apparently even worse than what we saw on TV. Talk to me about what your dynamic was like throughout the entire season.This is what's hilarious. I saw some exit press, like, "It's the worst argument." Listen, I was raised in a firehouse. I was raised in a Division One football locker room. And when I heard that, I'm like, "That's the worst argument you've ever heard or seen?!" This hype was like, "Okay, this is the route we're going." So that got under my skin, and it's because I love Rick Devens. I regret ever even saying a bad word about Rick Devens in the game, because it was an emotional reaction. He's a great father, great husband, and what's funny is that was the story. And believe me, that's not the story. I can't say enough kind things about him. His exit press, I feel, was the same way. The only thing I regret is all the moments of passion.And the reason why I wanted Rick out is he's one of the best to play the game. It wasn't personal. Rick flipped the coin for $2 million. Rick hid a fake idol. There's no better than that in the game. And that's out of respect. It wasn't like, "I want you out because I hate you." This is another father looking at a guy, going, "Man, you're a class act, dude." And in fact, that's the guy I want to play with. You should be able to play Survivor every way. Rick's way is not wrong. That's what's funny. It turned into good versus evil, me being evil. It's so inaccurate. I just respect Rick so much, I really do. And I regret that it was seen otherwise.What about Jonathan? The two of you were in lockstep throughout the postmerge. What was it like working with him?I love Jonathan. He's a great man. And he, again, is one of those people that I look at outside of the game, I'm like, "You're a great person outside the game, you're a great person inside the game." I wish they showed that we talked every single day. It's crazy to me they didn't show that, and I just respect his game. But I respect how he not only switched it up, but the way he adapted his game to fit 50 was brilliant. So I got nothing but love for Jonathan. I wish they would have shown our relationship more. He's a great person.Aubry told me last night that the two of you had a relationship that didn't really make the air. We got a dash of it when she picked you to go to the Final Three, a moment that clearly meant a lot for you both. Talk to me about that.Aubry, she's so talented. So I'm coming back from reliving my Season 48 moment with Eva, and I'm just kind of in the jungle, reliving that exact place where we did the firemaking. And I'm walking back from that, honestly, no cameras, which I did not want. And I see her running around looking for an idol, and I hear Genevieve calling her name, I'm not kidding. And I come back, and she whips out of the brush. And I walk up behind, and I go, "Hey," and she turns around. And Aubry's such a real person, such a genuine person. She goes, "Hey." And I go, "Look, I get it." And we had this moment. I didn't talk about it with anybody, I didn't spread that, because I could sense her vulnerability in the moment. She's just trying to play. She's been on the bottom, she's a vet. And in that moment we just shared, this is real. We checked in all the time, because I have parts of her in me, and vice versa. We just checked in on each other all the time. "Are you good, because this sucks." Or, "this is great. She's a real one." I love Aubry. She's a real one.I want to talk about the third member of this Final Four in Rizo. A secret scene came out around the merge of the two of you meeting, and him commending you for what you did for Eva, since he has an autistic brother. And, despite wanting him out at four, you decide to help him in firemaking. Talk to me more about that.With Rizo, I had a very special relationship. And I loved the kid, I really did. I know that there's all these things in hype, and all this and that. But when he shared his moment with his brother, that was outside the game, and it chokes me up. I feel he felt me, that I was like, "Okay, I got you." That was a major part of our relationship. Then I'm in this mode of like, "Man, I'm just gonna play the way that people say I can't play and let everybody do it on their own. I'm gonna let you build fire by yourself. Jonathan built fire by himself. I'm gonna sit here." And I just thought, "Man, I'm so tired of people telling me what I have to do and what I can't do or can do. He's a good kid." Why would you not want to help someone that's going into a fight to make sure that it's just give them a chance. No one can take away the moment that Rizo and I shared with his family and his brother, and I love him for his strength for dealing with that.It seems like you're happy to play Survivor again. But I'm curious, considering how your game was perceived both of your seasons, do you feel like you'd be able to change your approach? Or can you not help but play in a style that's inherent to who you are as a person?I'll tell you this, my man. When I think about Survivor, it's to make the crowd happy, right? I don't know if I need to carry grenades with dynamite and then just do cartwheels and put on a wig. If I can do the most crazy things, they still hate me. I feel that, at the end of the day, no matter what, I want to encourage anyone, including myself, I would play every single time, and I'm just going to do the best I can. I think everyone wants to hear I'm going to be a villain. To me, that sounds like you're playing a character. I'm going to be me, and I'm going to try to adapt to the season. Every season's different. If you call me back for 60, I'd be there. And I'm going to just adjust to the season, because it's me, I mean, it's like going into war. It's not like, "Oh, I'm always going to be this way." Whatever season that is, I'm gonna try to swing for the fence. But you can always count on me being real Joe, that's it.
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