Bacon: Let’s talk about your constituent [Kilmar Abrego Garcia] What happened this morning? I guess he’s been detained now. Talk about what you have heard about him specifically so far.
Bacon: To Uganda or where? Or you don’t know?
Bacon: OK. Wow.
Bacon: Just for the average person, why is this so concerning?
What that says to me is that this judge didn’t think this was such a strong case. And the fact that they’re trying to pressure him with this deportation to Uganda, a place that he’s never been and apparently the jail conditions over there are horrific—clearly they’re just trying to pressure him into taking a plea so they don’t have to come into court and prove the case that they said they could prove. They’re afraid to go to court. They’re afraid to have their case evaluated by a judge and a jury.
Ivey: Yeah, kind of a rally. It was right before he went into into the building into ICE. That’s the same building, ironically, that we went to meet our two senators and three other members a couple of weeks ago to try and get a chance to tour the detention facility, which they refused. So it’s a little ironic that it’s the same building.
Ivey: Well, they’ve charged him with a crime.
Ivey: So they would say he’s committed a crime—but he certainly hasn’t been convicted of a crime. And if you go back to the beginning of all of this, the deportation was illegal, which they had to acknowledge in court. But rather than just bring him back and fix the problem, they kept saying they couldn’t bring him back, they didn’t have the authority to bring him back. The Supreme Court said, You’ve got bring him back. The Fourth Circuit said, You’ve got to bring him back. He gets his day in court. So they trumped up these charges—pardon the pun—so they could bring him back and save face. But then they brought him back, and he’s like, OK, well, give me my day in court. Then they’re like, Geez, we don’t want to do that either, so let’s send him to a country where he’ll never be heard from again. That looks like what they’re trying to do.
Ivey: Yeah. I was in D.C. yesterday—two of my kids live in D.C., by the way; my grandson’s in D.C. and the like—and we were down on the wharf. And I saw, I don’t know, 30 or so of these guys walking around in groups of between three and five mainly. There was one time where it was a group of eight. First of all, I was with a guy who works in the restaurant business in D.C. and he says nobody’s here. This is shocking that there’s so few people here. And I know it’s been very damaging to the restaurants. They’ve had to extend the restaurant week, but seeing guys walking around on American streets in full camo—this looks like they just got pulled off the front line of some combat theater. And they’re carrying … I’m not a gun guy, but I would say either an M4 or an M16, military assault weapons. And some of them had 9mm handguns strapped on. I’m just not used to seeing that kind of firepower on American streets. That’s not what’s going on. That’s problem number one.
So for me, it was this is why we don’t have military policing our streets. And then the last point I’ll make on this one is, last time I checked, the wharf was not a hotspot.
Ivey: I’m seeing these guys—it looks like they’re tourists in town. They’re at the Washington Monument or Union Station or in front of the Supreme Court, all the iconic things that make for great photos and great political theater, I guess, for MAGA Republican America. But if you really want to try and help with the crime problem, that’s not where it is and those aren’t the right guys to do it. The guys to do that would be—I did see some DEA on the street. Although, again, they’re in camo outfits, street patrol is not what they’re trained to do and it’s not the highest and best use of their capabilities. Same with FBI agents. When I was a local prosecutor in D.C., when I was at the U.S. Attorney’s Office, we had task forces where you worked with the FBI and the DEA and the local police all the time. U.S. Marshals as well. And those can be great and very effective and very powerful. But let ’em have their role. It’s like, don’t let Michael Jordan inbound the ball. What are we doing here? Put ’em in a position where they can do the most good work for the community.
Ivey: Well, it’s a stupid abuse of the military power. It’s enormously expensive. The quote I heard was $1 million a day just for D.C. And let’s start with this. Crime’s gone down in the U.S. pretty significantly in the last few years, but we have a major crime problem. I was a prosecutor for 12 years of my career, state and federal. No question it’s an issue. How do you fix it? Well, more cops. This doesn’t help with that, especially D.C., ’cause instead of releasing the $1.1 billion that the mayor said she would use to hire cops at least in part, they’re hanging onto that. Number two, you’re not putting people on the street who can help with civilian policing to address the actual things you say are the problem—let’s say it’s murder, carjacking, or whatever. These are guys walking around as tourists, really doing nothing to address the situation. Number three, you’re not putting people on the types of task forces and teams that would be helpful to local police to actually target the violent criminal offenders.
And then, I forgot this part, I’m watching what these guys are doing and they’re grabbing—ICE is grabbing people off the streets. I guess apparently right now, they’re targeting pizza delivery guys. Yeah. Wow, we got some pizza delivery guys. City’s a lot safer now, isn’t it? You got the pepperoni off the streets. It’s ridiculous. It would be pathetic if it weren’t true. It is just incredible.
Ivey: Well, I think in part, the messages that they can send to their elected officials is a big step, especially if they’re in red states or have Republican representatives. Hey, Congressman or Senator so-and-so, this is a big waste of dollars. Get these guys back in the mission that they’re supposed to be carrying out—the National Guard. And it’s not civilian law enforcement patrol. If we want to do more, do that. Let’s take Tennessee for example. Tennessee sent National Guard troops up here, but Memphis apparently has a much worse capital murder problem than we do in Washington D.C. And if I recall correctly, Memphis was the place where they had the five guys that beat—I forget the man’s name, but beat him to death. So that police department’s in need a reform. But guess what Donald Trump did? He shut down DOJ intervention efforts to try and help with the consent decree reform for local police departments, including that one.
Bacon: Congressman ...Thank you.
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