E. Jean Carroll Speaks—and She’s Throwing Darts All Across Trumpworld ...Middle East

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“Not my type,” said the president when asked about her story in 2019, even though, in a deposition, shown a photograph of her, he risibly confused her with another ethereal blonde, his own second wife. But reductio ad T&A has always been Trump’s favorite deflection strategy with women, as well as being his old commercial stock in trade: One of the promises he made—and kept—before entering politics was mandating “higher heels and smaller bikinis” for women in his beauty pageants.

Her new book Not My Type, about suing and beating Trump in court is, from title to last page, an admirable act of subversion, casting the female gaze back at the bubble of pomposity and arrogance and entitlement around one man and his team and their processes, reducing the narcissist to his insecure essence.

The book is also an “old woman’s” shout, in some ways the female version of old man Trump’s “fight fight fight.” It opens with a scene in which Trump lawyer Alina Habba is demanding that Carroll list all her former lovers. She studies Habba’s Chanel suits and colossal diamond ring (noting that her husband is suing the jeweler over the cost). She recounts how, as Trump lawyer Joe Tacopina looked her in the eye and suggested she not only “hates men” but “abominates men,” she was musing about the amount of pumped iron it took to build such a sweaty, bull-like neck.

After the verdict was read, Carroll writes that she restrained her “joy so wild” until outside the courtroom with her team—at which point she erupted “despite the fragile splendor of my age, despite the fact that women do not win lawsuits, I let out a shout so loud that it must reach Judge Lewis A. Kaplan in his robing chamber, because everybody shushes me.”

At a book party in attorney Roberta Kaplan’s Manhattan office on June 24, the anti-Trump culturati was out in force—agents, publishers, editors, boldfaced names like Rosanna Arquette, Ellen Barkin, Mary Trump. Also two key trial witnesses: author Lisa Birnbach and television anchor Carol Martin. Both were brought in to testify that Carroll told them about the assault shortly after it happened. (Their presence reminded all that by custom if not by law, it still takes multiple women’s testimonies to equal a man’s. Like Carroll, they fielded death threats and still do.)

The day after the book was released, I interviewed Carroll in a Manhattan hotel room. A tempest was crashing down on Manhattan, and rain slashed at the 12th-floor windows. Inside, clad in a white airman’s flight suit, Carroll poured tiny glasses of chartreuse, and periodically stopped to clink glasses.

Burleigh: So where are you getting all these flight suits? Because the last time I saw you, you had an orange one on.

Burleigh: What’s up with the Chartreuse?

Burleigh: Talk to me about your choice to describe in the book all the “fabulous” clothes you wore. Isn’t that kind of a female cliche?

Burleigh: What was your take on Tacopina?

Burleigh: People forget you had a great career as a writer. This book is kind of a reminder.

Burleigh: What do you hope people take away from this book, and your experience?

Burleigh: What do you make of right-wing women right now, they seem pretty empowered.

Burleigh: You really walked in there with a lot of confidence, head high.

Burleigh: When did you know you were going to write a book?

Burleigh: And the metaphor of the courtroom as runway?

Burleigh: What are you going to do with the money if and when Trump pays up?

Carroll: I’m going to give it all away to causes he hates.

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